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the conversation she may have messed. former republican house speaker and board member of the fox corporation, paul ryan, appeared on fox news earlier this week and, drumroll please, criticize donald trump and called him unfit for office. >> it's going to be a very close race under terrible choices were being presented with and that's what the primary voters selected and never regret the fact that's where we are. >> a lot of these folks who also shared your same concerns about donald trump that said, we are rallying around donald trump. you said though that would not be the case with you. he said he's a populist and an authoritarian narcissist. character is too important to me and it's a job that requires the kind of character he just doesn't have. that's pretty

strong. >> that's the way i feel. i agree with that. i don't support biting either. i think his policies are terrible. i hate the fact that i have to write in a republican like i did in 2020. voted for him in 2016 hoping there would be a different person in office and i think character is an important issue. if you put yourself above the constitution, as he has done -- >> what happened? the january 6 then? >> is part of it. it's a contribution of factors but i think it is his character at the end of the day and the fact that you're willing to put yourself above the constitution, and if you swear you take office, you swear an oath to the constitution and if you are willing to suborn it to yourself, i think that makes you unfit for office. >> let's bring in the host of the podcast and the editor of the nonpartisan group protect democracy and a former u.s. attorney. and the author of an important book every american should read if they want to know what's going on right now. attack from within. how disinformation is sabotaging america. and by the way, it makes a wonderful father's day gift.

so, willie, i've known paul for a very long time. he worked for a group of us when i first got to washington. i love the guy. i really do. he is a wonderful guy. a wonderful man. and, so, i'm glad he's speaking out. i think he's on the fox board on one of the boards. he is in a position of authority over there, and that's not something a lot of people would do for to speak out like that so i appreciate that. i will say the thing i don't understand is understanding that this guy is an authoritarian. understanding the dangers he presents and then saying, well, i can't stand joe biden either and i'm going to vote -- i hate his policy so i would just write in a vote.

if you feel like democracy is on the line. if you feel there is an authoritarian waiting, what is so offensive about voting for a man who has presided over the strongest economy in the world for an economy that the world bank said is fueling the world's economy. the dow is that over 40,000. we've never been stronger economically relative to the rest of the world since 1945. our military is relative to the rest of the world and never stronger than it is today. i'm grateful that republicans like paul ryan are not voting for donald trump. actually proving they believe what they have been saying their whole life. and that will be enough to defeat donald trump. i just remain -- i just wonder how you can say he's an authoritarian, he's a threat to american democracy he doesn't have the character to be president, but i'm not going to vote against the one guy but

i'm not going to vote for the one guy that can keep them out of office. >> even among donald trump's critics within the party in the conservative movement there's always a guess, but. also equivocating that joe biden is equally bad in his own right but that criticism from paul ryan is not the first time he's criticized donald trump and was relatively mild. it was substantive. i do not think he was out there throwing bombs. i think some of the points were obvious to some people who watch politics, and for that trump supporting members of congress in the house, one of them, called paul ryan a piece of garbage for the comments you just heard there. and said he is not a real conservative if he doesn't support donald trump. >> just the opposite, willie. paul ryan. one of the most conservative guys i've worked with in congress. here was our big difference. he was a tax-cut, i think, at

all costs guy. and i was about balancing the budget, bringing down the national debt. and we talked about this but we were both conservatives. we were just in different wings. both economic conservatives but we were focused on two different things for but nobody that worked with paul what ever say he wasn't a conservative, and yet anybody that saul donald trump while he was president raising the national debt moreover his four years than any president in u.s. history. >> yeah. it's laughable. amanda carpenter, people who are actually real conservatives now because the window has shifted so much under donald trump, and as we were talking about in the last hour that donald trump will be up on

capitol hill today and he will be followed through the halls by those members of congress who want to be seen with him and kiss the ring and take a picture with him for their campaign ads. all of that pick up the call themselves conservatives and yet they are just following a man not really an ideology, a theory of economics or politics or anything else. >> i wish in these interviews that paul ryan does he could get to a place to talk about why he isn't the house speaker anymore. it is good that he says that donald trump is unfit for office for he's been saying this numerous times over the years in various interviews and it's notable he said it on fox. also notable that injury was confined to the 4:00 hour because i don't think that paul ryan would be welcome to say those words in the prime time hours where the majority of fox news listeners are really reached. what is frustrating about this is that ryan and other republicans to take this position, i think they are expecting people to read between the lines too much. i think they tell themselves that if i go out and say he's unfit but i can't vote for biden and somehow i'm saying the words i

think donald trump is authoritarian. i'm saying the words i think he's dangerous and then if i say i don't like joe biden's policies, other people are expected to give a credit enter the work. i'm sorry. that is not enough. paul ryan need to talk about is a reason why i'm not the speaker of the house anymore pick up my views are being pushed out of the party. we are not a big tent party right now because donald trump expects republicans in any position of power with you are the house speaker or senate republican to act as his legal and political shield. that is why donald trump is going to the hole today. he can say his campaign is will say they will talk about his legislative agenda. we already see what that looks like with these endless investigations to get nowhere that have been led by house republicans into the biden family, into merrick garland. this is where this is going. this is how he wants the party to act as a shield. that's the reason paul ryan isn't there anymore.

and it's also good their other senate republicans who want to take that meeting, but they say it's a scheduling conflict. come out and say i'm not going to meet with someone who is practically and morally responsible in the words of mitch mcconnell for sending him off to the capitol and stopping the peaceful transfer of power. we need to start saying it's plainly, very clearly, and in ways that are unmistakable. there is a faction of republicans who are not going to go along with this. they are not successful, obviously, in stopping trump from becoming the republican nominee once again for the third potential election in a row. but they need to be vocal and make it known that they are there and that is the only way we will grow that republican resistance that will be responsible for having any chance of making the party responsible again. >> amanda just teed up where i wanted to go with you. paul ryan has been a consistent critic of donald trump for years and he did it again this week mitch mcconnell was a consistent critic of donald trump for years but this week,

today, he is meeting with him and he is already endorsing for president. many republicans and those on capitol hill say that's just mitch mcconnell pick is all about politics and the gop pick up but isn't it more than that? isn't he emblematic of the problem in the gop right now? >> first of all the gop is, i know it, even as young as you are and you knew it, as everyone knew it, it's gone. it disappeared. this stuff has been going on for eight years. eight years we've been going through the stance. morning joe: weekend will be right back. ne with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. it's the only migraine medication that helps treat & prevent, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. people depend on me. without a migraine,

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welcome back to morning joe: weekend. let's picked back up on the conversation we were having before the break . >> when i was running for congress, i wish we had the belt, we could hit the bell. i'm going to churches and i

would talk and say don't vote for me because i'm the best christian. i'm not. vote for me because you believe in the same things that i believe in. and i won at a young age and a couple years later i would see other republicans going in quoting bible scriptures like 2 corinthians and things they did not know. you're not a preacher. your politician. just tell them what you believe politically and they will do the rest. but it's gotten so much worse now, in that christian nationalism has now taken over the republican party. and as you write in your book, people hide behind religion to spread disinformation for it's almost like they are using jesus, in this case, and the cross as a barrier between them and reality . and for me, it's sickening. growing up as an evangelical.

but for america it's dangerous because these carnival barker's are using religion in a way that, you say, con artists have always used religion to get ahead politically. >> i too am a christian. i talked to christian friends who are deeply offended by the exploitation of the christian religion as a way to hide behind calls for violence, power, and other things that are decidedly not christian. christianity aside, as a former prosecutor and national security cases come i see a lot of parallels between the way christianity is being westernized and the way isis used islam as a way to pasteurize religion. and some of the same tactics preying upon grievance, culture war, the idea that we need to be a christian nation is very similar to the way they called for an islamic caliphate and

when it's a holy war, anything goes. the ends justify any means whatsoever. if you listen to the rhetoric of donald trump recently talking about how people are going to stand for it if he is imprisoned or will there be violence if you're not elected in the fall? we have to wait and see what happens. there will be bedlam. there will be a bloodbath. these things land on people's years as a way to action. it's not just reckless, it's a deliberate effort to use grievance to attain political power. >> you know, it used to be, amanda, not so long ago that we would be concerned as christians looking at other faiths that would use their faith as an excuse for violence. and we would say, well, my gosh , at least christians or the church would never do that

because, of course, jesus talks about turning the other cheek and talks about forgiving and all these other things. but whether it's an islamic world or on the west bank with extremists that are using religion to commit violent acts against palestinians, or whether it's even in our own country or people who call themselves evangelicals who probably don't even go to church, and i using violent rhetoric. we saw it during january 6. that violence was going on, people were carrying crosses and claiming they were doing jesus's work. i know you, like me, have been inside all of this and have seen the devolution of the party and the use of faith. what are your thoughts? >> yeah. i mean, it's amazing how much it changed even when i was

working on the whole and to see how the le pen -- during -- maga movement got infused with the rise of christian nationalism but you have to understand that christian nationalism isn't christian at all. they are just using christianity as the vehicle for the nationalism. that's the package it's being wrapped in to get to this conclusion that they want for this vision for america. and this certainly is in all churches or all christians, just a very organized, vocal, visible strain of it. the thing i always think of is i don't live in washington, d.c. but where i drive around, i see one black and seen it a few times that county flags outside houses and it never fails to make my stomach drop and it's a flag with a cross and it ar-15 on its peer it makes me so sad and angry to see. we have all this black discourse. but that is one that is not patriotic.

it's a destruction of the american flag, which isn't respectful. but then to put the cross on it with the flag and have that on your house against your neighbors. and i've seen it a few times. you see it sold. where i live there attends the pop up in the summer that sell all these maga flags and that sort of style of flag is out there. it's pretty clear what they're trying to communicate. i can tell you specific words what it says but it's violent and aggressive and intimidating. and it's a disgusting interpretation of what patriotism and christianity is. >> as an antithesis of everything jesus talked about. lauren boebert saying it at a debate one time or at a speech one time that if jesus had an ar-15, while, he would not have been crucified. of course showing her complete, total ignorance that for those of us who believe, jesus could

have avoided the cross if he wanted to. he willingly went there. that is the central canon of christianity to die for everybody's sins. and the idea that has been twisted by people who are ignorant of the faith, ignorant of the new testament and ignorant of the gospels to somehow equate ar-15s and christianity -- it just shows a complete ignorance and, again, using christianity for the wrong purposes. >> and to add to amanda's great point she made about that flag being violent and aggressive and you think about the flag that was hung outside alito's house, whether as mr. or mrs. picked the supreme court justice home upside of black which represents january 6. you know, to amanda's point, it is a privilege to be in this country. it's a privilege to be part of

this democracy pickle and the flag represent it. desecrating it. turning it upside down pickup adding violent imagery for were not snowflakes, we love this country and that hurts to see. >> it's so crazy that the very people -- and my family is part of it -- who were horrified by the flag being misused in the '60s and the '70s and into their '80s. so enraged by the desecration of the american flag are the very ones who are desecrating it right now. >> the flag stands for who you are. is desecrating everything desecrating every institution for desecrating free voting. desecrating honest voting. desecrating the supreme court right now. i mean, everything that we kind of stood for is in play right

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at his rally in las vegas, donald trump once again suggested he would pardon the january 6 insurrectionist in a second term, whom he called hostages and victims and warriors. he also accused the capitol police, who were brutalized during the attack of setting up the riders to be arrested.

>> were going to do a lot of things. were going to look very strongly at january 6. there's never been people treated more horrifically than j 6 hostages. they were warriors but they were really more than anything else the victims of what happened. all they were doing was protesting a rigged election. that's what they were doing. and then the police say, go in. go in. go on in, everybody. go on in. what a setup that was peer what a horrible, horrible thing. >> as for what actually happened on january 6, on aired footage we just obtained from congressional sources shows top democratic lawmakers questioning the whereabouts of the national guard during the january 6 capitol attack. as the company mac was being overrun, then house speaker nancy pelosi drilled her chief of staff about the situation as they were evacuated for their safety. take a look. >> you going to ask me in the

middle of the thing when they have already breached the inaugural stuff that doe should we call the capitol police? i mean, the national guard? why wasn't the national guard there -- >> the footage shows pelosi and senate democratic leader chuck schumer at fort mcnair speaking on the phone with dan army secretary ryan mccarthy. and later washington mayor muriel bowser about the status of their request for help from the national guard. >> mccarthy and senator schumer -- do you know what's going on? okay. d.c. has requested the national guard and it's been denied by dod. i'd like to know the reason why it's been denied. we need them fast. i've never seen anything like this pick we are like a third world country here pick we had to run and evacuate the capitol.

they have nothing. let's go to the secretary of the army. i'm going to call up there. the secretary of the dod. >> we have had some mixed messages about national response , of our request, the national guard to move in. >> let me give you a rundown. the request for national guard more than an hour ago. i thought there was some resistance from the secretary of the army to deploy guard personnel on the grounds of the capitol. >> it took more than three hours -- three hours -- for the

national guard to arrive to that chaotic scene, to that riot, to the attack on the capitol according to politico, four former members of the guard described a frustrating experience of being prevented for hours from being able to respond and recounted senior army officials expressing concerns about the optic of deploying the guard pickup but they saved their fiercest criticism for mccarthy, who they described as -- i'm sorry. for the army. a different mccarthy. the person they were trying to reach on the phone. they described as unresponsive to their outreach in the midst of the chaos. republicans have spent years accusing policy of neglecting her duty to defend the capitol. despite evidence that it was a shared responsibility among congressional leaders who, in

turn, relied on the assessments of police and security officials . but as politico reports, the new footage does not bolster gop claims of pelosi being at fault. instead, it largely aligns with and adds depth to previous snippets of alexandra pelosi's footage released by the january 6 select committee, and in an hbo documentary that was released in 2022. the on aired footage shows democratic leaders demanding that then-president donald trump tell his supporters to leave the capitol on january 6. here is pelosi and schumer speaking by phone with then acting attorney general jeff rosen. >> why don't you get the president to tell them to leave the capitol, mr. attorney general, and your law enforcement responsibility pick a public statement they should all leave for he is saying, his tweet said we are for peace.

law and order. why don't you get them to make that statement? would you do that? will you ask the president to make a statement to ask them to leave the capitol? >> so, as you might guess, -- >> please answer my question. answer my question. there senator, i'm going to do everything i can do. >> does that include asking the president to get these people who are followers to leave the capitol? >> jordan, the conversation, the host of the podcast on brand with donny deutsch. former supreme allied commander of nato and retired for start navy admiral and the chief international analyst for nbc news and a staff writer at the atlantic. what a great panel. hard to know where to start there are so many great voices.

i want to back up and rephrase what i said because i mention the wrong mccarthy. according to politico four former members of the guard described a frustrating experience of being prevented for hours from being able to respond to the attacks on the capitol and recounted senior army officials expressing concern about the optics of deploying the guard. and they saved their fiercest criticism for mccarthy, who they described as unresponsive to their outreach in the midst of the chaos that is army secretary ryan mccarthy. and not having the national guard respond. i mean, in so many ways i think i need to start with en and go backwards. and, what does this say to you when you see these details and this friction at all levels in terms of how to respond to this and lives hanging in the balance as it appears that they don't want to actually stop the

chaos. that's from the president on down. >> i have to tell you my first reaction is to ask why we did not talk about this 3 1/2 years ago? why it's taken so long for all of our courts to come to terms with that happened on january 6, and why we haven't as a society dealt with it yet. some of these details are new and some are more shocking and they come in a slightly different version. but actually we've known this story for a long time and we haven't acted. and i think that's a part of the explanation for why the perpetrators are getting away with it. >> let's talk about chain of command and other issues here. this was clearly botched on just about every level that day. we saw it in real time that the national guard needed to be there and wasn't for as someone who is worked in the pentagon for so long, what happened?

>> first, you kind of have to see what happens on the capitol that day through the filter of lafayette park, previous protests. the pentagon did not take the lessons learned that they should have at that series of events for .2, i just want to draw a line under how every active duty, reserve guard, retired like me, veterans -- all of us watched the capitol that day and felt we needed to be there. we needed to be there. and that is the ultimate responsibility of the military. that is to backup law enforcement went it's simply becoming overwhelmed, as it did here. and finally, in terms of the chain of command that day and the exact sequence of events, to me, this entire episode screens for a 9/11 level commission where we pull it

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do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states to target you? the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american, not to target one. but he targeted me, lady ruby. a small business owner, a mother, a proud american citizen, who stood up to help fulton county run an election

in the middle of the pandemic. >> that was georgia election worker ruby freeman in testimony to the house january 6 committee in 2022 about being targeted by former president donald trump after his 2020 loss in her state. nearly four years later, trump and his allies are reportedly taking things even further in georgia, with the help of the state's republican -controlled legislature. according to rolling stone, trump loving elements of the georgia gop have wielded that advantage in a crusade to convert discredited election conspiracy theories into policies well ahead of election day 2024. those tax tics reportedly include new laws to limit mail in and early voting, pushing out republican officials who believe in free and fair elections, and plans to challenge george's final

result, even if trump wins just to prove a point about imaginary fraud in democratic areas. joining us now is senior political reporter at rolling stone, who broke this story. tell us more about what you found in georgia. >> this is a situation where in the state of georgia for 2024, obviously, it's one of a handful of states that will determine the fate of the 2024 presidential election. now to be clear and up-front, if the current polling holds, it looks like donald trump is a good chance of winning georgia out right. having said that, he and his allies, including in and out of the state of georgia, are not willing to leave that up to chance. the way they are viewing georgia at the moment and some of those granular ways that for years they have been trying to make actual policy and electoral processing changes in the state is to try to solidify in georgia and electoral

philosophy of heads, i win. tails, you lose. that is one of the defining traits of trumpism with regard to elections and so much else. many sources close to trump we spoke to for this story, including on the ground in georgia working on these initiatives, if you georgia as a laboratory for what they want to do in other states, particularly battleground states and nationwide. the reason georgia is unique in this situation is because unlike pennsylvania or wisconsin or even arizona, the reason it can be so much of a backup laboratory in a sense is because they have unified control of so much of the state when it comes to the republican party and the legislature, the governor, the lieutenant governor, the election board for the lieutenant governor is someone who is currently under investigation in the state because of its efforts to help overturn the election for donald trump in 2020. so what we found in our reporting, and i can get into

it a little bit more specifically if you would like, is there is a very step-by-step process on so many fronts to wage this war for and donald trump sits atop the sprawling network regulate receiving briefings on this and doing what he can, even to pressure republicans in the state, to oust of score republican officials who aren't kowtowing to the cult of trump and committing to try to help, to speak bluntly, reagan election for him. >> as you look at this though, and i'm familiar with the georgia. full disclosure pick we have an office in atlanta national action network. the people were in place, the republicans, last election, yet biden was able to win. able to elect the first jewish u.s. senator, the first black u.s. senator. is the answer to this plan by trump that has now become

perceived as a swing state, that there must be a major mobilization of the democratic side? what do you find of the democratic side that could deal with this, since it is a real entrenchment of republicans from a very small to very large city level. they control a lot of the state apparatus pick up >> of course, if you are a democratic operative for the biden campaign, to an estate like georgia right now is to maintain the margins you did in 2020. according to the latest polling, it doesn't look like that is necessarily going to be the case. and whatever the polling shows now, there's a good chance that in georgia and elsewhere this will be fought at the margins. and what the republican party and the trappist elements and so many others in georgia are doing by now on the right is try to hack at the margins as much as they can weather it comes to approaching voter rolls or trying to give the

state election board powers that it's not necessarily constitutionally allowed to have. >> dropbox voting. >> and put the screws to mail- in voting and things like that. >> reporting is online now for rolling stone senior political reporter. to take. we appreciate you coming on this morning. coming up next, academy award nominee jude law and academy award winner alicia vikander stop by to tell us about their new movie, firebrand. morning joe will be right back. , but torque gets you going. ♪ ♪ [ engine revving ] oh now we're torquin'! the dodge hornet r/t. the totally torqued-out crossover.

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never do that to you. do you hear me? >> five wives who came before her all met untimely and. but katherine's fate was to change the kingdom for ever. [ laughter ] >> we must rise up and take what is ours. we found and preaching. >> it is not for those above us to tell us what to believe. >> the way she spoke. it excited me. >> catherine, i pray no one saw you there that day. >> i believe that i was chosen by god to get the king to change as well. >> you have to go. if they find you here -- >> we would have to have their head cut off. >> i'm sure you would come up with something more creative. >> that was a look at a new film entitled firebrand set in 16th century tudor england. the film follows katherine

parr, the queen of england and sixth wife to the king, henry viii, who was the ruler famous for discarding, even beheading his previous wives. catherine risks her life to operate politically behind-the- scenes and undermined her husband in an attempt to create a more just world. joining us now, the costars of firebrand, academy award, golden globe and tony award nominated actor jude law and academy award-winning actress, alicia vikander and the film direct. kareem, i will start with you. what drew you to this story, to make you want to bring it to life so vividly? >> i think it was the fact that there was an incredible story out there about a woman that had never been told. i think there are so many movies about henry viii and so many movies about the wives that he had killed or perished under his rule and i thought katherine survived so i thought it was an important

story to tell. so i jumped into it for >> and, alicia , what did you learn about this claim, katherine parr? what was the part of her soul that you discovered that drove her to live with such bravery in such difficult times? >> i think one of the things that i had no idea about, actually, when i first picked up the script -- i, myself, and realize that i knew the least about this woman who actually did survive out of the wives. one thing that is remarkable is she was actually the first ever published woman in britain. that was something she did during her time, and, obviously, she even wrote certain texts that would not have maybe been approved by her husband for that, to me, only prove the kind of impact she not only had on him, but on the

people and the people who wrote her written word. >> jude law, you seem crazy in this film, just from the trailer that we saw. i mean, whoa. but as we know, all humans are multidimensional so i'm curious in your preparation and your studies at king henry viii, what were some of his more positive qualities? what did you learn about this man? >> the director said to a very fair playing field, i think, because he was interested in the people at the heart of these characters, not the historical figures that they are remembered as and so, for me with henry, it was important to look back and understand why he

behaved the way he did. but to answer your question more specifically, with that learn about him that was positive? he was responsible for bringing in all sorts of influences of music into england. his court became much more artistic. and that was a time, and this was important to be -- there was a time when he was a champion of the arts and he was, himself, a dancer and a sportsman and, a hugely charismatic -- and i had to sort of sit on that at the end of his life, which is the chapter we tell, in a way to really understand how embittered and angry he is. that in a way, all of that came to naught. all of that came to this festering toad of a man that we find at the end of his life in the last two months. but in fairness, yeah, it started off as quite a glorious prince and king. don't go away. we have a second hour of morning joe: weekend on this

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>> this is an outstanding group of people. i am with them 1000%. they are with me 1000%. we agree on just about anything. and if there isn't, we work it out. >> he said very complementary things about all of us, that we had sustained applause. we are grateful for that. >> he saw me. i was sitting back a little ways. he saw me and said, hello marjorie. he is always so sweet and recognizes me. >> he is electric. he has an incredible fastball. i think it was exciting. after all he had been through, how strong this man is. i cannot imagine taking all the heat he has. he was the team captain and we were glad he was leading us. it was the single best meeting i have ever seen between the united states republican senators and president trump. >> just in case you are keeping score at home, they were saying this about a man convicted of 34 felonies, found

liable for sexual assault against a woman, was found to be guilty, on definition purposes by a judge in new york of the rape of the woman. he said, you can call it what you want to call it but everyone else outside this courtroom calls it rape. when he talked about definitions of the u.s. army, again, medical organizations. and this is who the republicans are throwing their arms around with reckless abandonment. and for political purposes, let me say again, so nice. i like to warn people before they stick their hand on the stove for the eighth time. this is also the man that led

republican defeats in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and it will happen again in 2024. one of those people talking, lindsey graham. the guy who said in 2016, and got it right before the losing streak said, if we nominate trump, we will be destroyed as a party and we will deserve it. so here we go. it is about to be an eight year losing streak. >> you could go to a taylor swift concert this summer and see lessig giddiness about her from teenage girls. this is truly staggering. grown men, supposed leaders that could not be more excited then to be in the same room as donald trump and jump up to standing ovations. as you say, joe, many of the people in the room giving him innovation and getting as close as they can to make sure they

are in all the photographs with him for their campaign ads, are the ones who condemned him on january 6th and the days after january 6th before they put their fingers in the wind and realized supporters still liked him and changed completely. is not surprising anymore. to see him up close. side-by-side. running to cameras to talk about how excited they were to have been waived that are recognized by him in some way. it is something to behold. and that meeting with public and senators, the first time trump and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell have come face-to-face since 2020. after the meeting, macconnell told reporters that the meeting was quote "goo ." >> did he say anything about you? >> no. >> did you talk to him directly? >> yes. we shook hands a few times.

it was entirely positive and exciting. >> after seeing that photograph from macconnell shaking hands with donald trump, liz cheney posted -- i will read all of it, but mitch mcconnell knows. knows that trump provoked the violent attack on the capital and watched television happily as the mob beat police officers and hunted the vice president. he knows trump refused for hours to tell the mob to leave. and then with police officers bleeding, he kept repeating his election lies and praising criminals. he knows trump committed a disgraceful dereliction of duty and is a danger to the country. many will number the shame of leader like macconnell who enabled him. >> liz cheney after seeing that on capitol hill? >> 100% correct. >> and said mitch mcconnell

basically said, when he was talking about what happened on january 6, you talked to people, liberals and conservatives. you talked to people who were there january 6th and no one was more angered by what happened then mitch mcconnell. and mitch mcconnell talked about it. when he was on the senate floor, he talked about all those things that liz cheney said right there and now again, it is just a collective sort of amnesia and complete moral vacuum. and at the core of the republican party. what about mike johnson. we gave him sustained applause? it is so painful. >> by the way, that is exactly what trump wants to here. a lot of people clapping for him. it's like the childless 5-year- old mentality about his audiences and clapping. very strange. and very lame that mike johnson would feel the need to do that

piglets bring in former u.s. senator and former prosecutor claire mccaskill. cohosts of the msnbc podcast, how to win 2024. also senior political columnist for politico, jonathan martin. >> i'm just going to leave that there. and staff writer for the new yorker, susan glasser. >> dave martin, you have traveled around the country. you have talked republicans. you have talked to elected leaders on both sides of the house. you know like i know, because i have talked to them too, all those people clapping and all those people hugging donald trump and all those saluting donald trump, they all hate donald trump. they all say terrible things behind his back. and even that guy right there said, if you are a christian, jd vance, if you are christian, you cannot vote for this man. and yet here, we are.

>> they are living a life that they are not terribly thrilled about but it is a life they have chosen. because they're voters like him. their voters love him actually. and they live in fear of their voters. and that is the issue. there is a fundamental difference between the leadership class of the party and the rank-and-file voters. they are not the same party. and you have a residue of an earlier party that still is left in the senate that does not reflect where the party voters are. they have to fake it and they have been doing that for going on a decade now. some of them quit or retire or are defeated but if those who stick around, they make this accommodation and they do it unhappily but that is the life they are living. and guys, i have to say, to have doug mills, the prize- winning photographer for the new york times come into the

rsc yesterday to shoot that session, to record for history, trump knows what he is doing. he is getting the best photographer in journalism today to come record all the supplicants., and kissed his ring. he wants those pictures for history. >> supplicants. and claire mccaskill, we have talked about all the time. we will just say, because we are men. we talk about how we would respond as men if somebody insulted our wives and call them ugly or if somebody accused our father of being part of the jfk assassination or if somebody gave out our phone numbers like trump gave out lindsay graham head phone numbers and insulted him as much as he did. we could go down the list. mitch mcconnell shook hands with a man who has unleashed a torrent of racist comments

about his life but he did it. i just have to say, the way we would say it. and we have talked about it. as a man, you do any of those things, you cross that line, there is no going back. you insult my father or my wife. there is no going back. there is no shaking your hand. there is no endorsing you. in fact, they will focus on destroying your political career for the rest of the life's. people who know me know that when they have insulted closed friends that pass to become i literally spent the next 20 years going after them because you just don't let bullies speed up friends and family members. >> morning joe weekend continues after a short break.

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abortion rights. he says he is pro-life. 100% pro-life and no exceptions. that is what is at stake. are we going to allow women to make these decisions or are we going to have politicians in columbus or in washington who want the national abortion ban to make the decision? >> we heard from the supreme court yesterday on this issue about the abortion pill. letting it stand but making it clear that it leaves the door open for future challenges. at the same time, and the senate, there is a vote on the ivf, to protect ivf rights for american women and families and that failed. republicans voted against it. give us your analysis. what is going on here? >> republicans are not giving up on abortion. again, my opponent once a national abortion ban and so do many others. it shows what is at stake. i asked people to come to

sherrod brown.com. make their voices heard. they don't give up. they look at the case that never should have been brought. and they are unrelenting as they are. ohio past by 57% on the constitutional amendment, a state that people think is pretty conservative by 57%, and support of abortion rights. yet, my opponent and others in ohio have the arrogance of saying, we don't care about that. we want a national abortion ban. we are trying to undo that kind of decision by the ohio voters. it is clear to all of us that that is what is at stake at this race and around the country. >> senator, so many reproductive rights right now are on the chopping block. it was surprising to see the measure to enact protections

for ivf, in vitro fertilization fail. can you give americans a sense of whether there is room to negotiate and enshrine some rights right now into law? and what happened there? is there no broad support for something like ivf in the senate right now? >> if you count markowski and collins, that is the broader measure. >> no. they come up with other compromises. ohio women and in all parts of the state, they don't all trust people like bernie marino on abortion rights and they know their position on supporting them and women's healthcare. people have said, don't listen to what they say. watch what they do. and they continue to aggressively and actively try to take away women's rights. and the voters have spoken loudly and clearly. their arrogance and their certainty on this, and they are

following like sheep. what they conceive is the political basis is wrong. >> democratic senator sherrod brown of ohio, thank you so much for being on the show. next, dishonesty spreads like wildfire among republicans as they use misleading videos and false statements to make their case that donald trump should be president again. stay right where you are. but ...he was getting picky we heard about the farmer's dog... and it was a complete transformation. his coat was so soft, he had amazing energy. he was a completely different dog. it's a no-brainer that (remi) should have the most nutritious and delicious food possible. i'm investing in my dog's health and happiness. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent,

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80th commemoration. and just as a really great job. it makes you proud to be an american. ronald reagan and other presidents have done it in the past. and republicans actually create disinformation. they cut videos that retch from its proper context what biden did over there. so you have disinformation on the republican side and then when you have democrats in the mainstream media, i think the biden campaign you have them looking at the craziness of donald trump's rallies and what he says there. it is like a collective yawn. >> how many times have we heard that? even from this over the weekend. biden couldn't even find the chair. he said if you watch the clip, he was standing for a speech and then he sat in the chair. and they sort of laugh it off as yeah, but still. he is old. here is what they are up to.

this is no analysis from the washington post showing a number of republicans, many of them on the far right media using misleading videos to set the events in france last week to commemorate d-day to go after president biden. the first edited video, the rnc, along with its many right- wing influencers, amplifying it. a 122nd lip showing president biden standing next to french president emmanuel macron pending with biden in an awkward position. some postings suggest the president was sitting in an invisible chair. the full video shows biden ultimately sat down after the edited clip and paused briefly while crouched waiting for defense secretary lloyd austin's name to be called before sitting, you know, out of respect. the wide shot of the stage shows other people appearing to do the same. in another edited video, president biden appears to be pulled away by first beatty --

first lady joe biden. right- wing accounts claim the president was pulled away from the event. the full video showed the event concluded on the service member directed the president and the first lady to the exit. as the biden's leave, they stopped to chat with a number of veterans before finally leaving. a third edited video circulated by right-wing accounts shows a clip that appears to show president biden with his eyes closed claiming he was sleeping. however, the full video reveals the president momentarily closed his eyes during a translated portion of the speech. he opened his eyes shortly after the edited video ends. unlike the former president of trump sleeping during his criminal hush money trial. why do we go through all this? why do we show you the washington post's work going through that? because that is what is happening out there.

it is in the message in a narrative taking hold many times based on lies and edited video. >> we talk about it all the time. our friends with postgrad degrees or who are lawyers were very successful, will buy this hook, line and sinker. and then they will say, oh my god. he did this or this. they did it after those horrible fires in hawaii were biden, at a very moving memorial service, at one point closes his eyes. and they freeze in on that. you look at it in full context, it is very clear, like any of us, when we are hearing these horrible stories, we will close our eyes and reflect, et cetera. but that is all they have. we have donald trump saying crazy things about sharks, world war ii. the gathering storm. barack obama being president. not being able to complete sentences. you have said it time and time again. if people have the stomach to do it, they should watch an

entire trump speech. because him meandering out into the pasture, basically come watch my name, i actually had a friend, yesterday saying that he and his wife sat down and watched the entire las vegas speech for entertainment because trump was so crazy during the speech. and it was so on presidential. so on presidential and so out of it and so disconnected from reality. you can see that in the shots of the people where they are kind of looking around saying, what the hell is going on? sharks? electric boats? and these trump sequent hats are stare at each other saying, i have no idea what is going on. i would love for you to talk about the speech and the disinformation. but also, and i think this is so important, how republicans and these liars, these

disinformation liars, are actually helping joe biden because they continue to lower expectations like they always have and people are shocked when biden goes to the state of the union, he is so good. and things can happen at the debates. they say they spread the lies a lower expectations. and then biden shows up and embarrasses trump. >> number one, who is not afraid of sharks and electricity in the water? are you guys? >> are you guys not worried about that? >> of course we are. i think about it all the time. if there was a shark and a drowning person. i mean look, joking. secondly, joking, trump, yes. you are watching the trump speech and you would be stunned. it is not just that speech. there is not one trump speech where he goes on the campaign trail and you won't find similar things. that was an extreme example.

i will say he is a little unhinged in the video for various periods of time. and you talk about how the show is a little meandering. a lot of the speeches he does, they are a long walk in the woods. several times in each of those speeches. i think the third thing i will say about the cheap fix, just buckle up everybody. you have a situation where china, russia, north korea and all regimes that spread a lot of electronic disinformation, they are all on the side of donald trump as he head toward november. and the kinds of deceptive practices we have seen so far with video to make joe biden look bad will be nothing compared to what we see when we get to the fall where it will be not just cheap fakes but deep fakes all over the internet showing all kinds of crazy stuff everyone has to get ready for the assault on our

senses and the misinformation we will see in the fall and finally, to your last point, i think this goes back to what happened last week. i wrote about that in my column this week. the wall street journal, which became part of the disinformation about joe biden i think did do the biden campaign a favor. anything the biden campaign agrees with that which is not just that they lowered expectations which, as you said with the state of the union they did, they made it easier for biden to surmount. they are making it easier and will fall into the same trap again going into the debate in june and then if he gives a reasonably good performance in june, he will surpass expectations. the reaction to the journal piece was so negative that it kind of served as an object lesson. it kind of reminded people that a lot of people in business

including this show and elsewhere, pointed out how terrible the pieces and how insubstantial it was and how bad the source it was. and they got their rear ends handed to them. and it served as kind of a gift in the way for the biden campaign to say, this is an example. a high-profile example. and explosive peace that turns out to have nothing in it. i do think at least in the mainstream press, for anyone thinking about approaching biden's age as an issue, which is a legitimate issue, but that example last week reminded people that you have to proceed with greater caution. you have to write about this or talk about it in a more careful way. if you do with the wall street journal did, you will quickly have your reputation ruined. and i don't think the people in the mainstream media would have that happen to them. >> morning joe weekend will be right back! if you have chronic ki dney d isease you can reduce failure with farxiga. y because there are places you'd like to be.

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isn't that embarrassing for everybody involved? a room of adults wearing suits saying, let's discuss our agenda and dismantle the regulations that protect our environment. but first, who is the big boy getting a year older? >> donald trump yesterday also met with at least 80 ceos in washington promising tax cuts and regulation rollbacks if reelected. that is according to cnbc. people at the meeting also said trump floated lowering the federal corporate tax rate from 21%, to 20%. his pitch to business leaders comes as his 2017 tax law, which cut rates from 35%, is set to expire next year. but not all executives are buying trump's plan including our next guest, roger hawkes child is the former ceo of

discover financial services and worked for president george h. w. bush, a republican. tell me what concerns you about what you heard from president trump yesterday. >> it is not surprising that trump would want to spend time with ceos. he is all about money and power and to your point, trading off policy promises against things that help these companies and hurt the american people. but i think if you talk one-on- one with any ceo, they could not say with a straight face that trump is qualified to be president. his failures as a business leader were so numerous that you can't count them. on a personal level, convicted of 34 felonies. liable for civil fraud and sexual assault. but just a terrible leader. what is ironic is that none of these companies would ever consider hiring him as an employee or consider him for a

board of directors. i'm not sure you could say with a straight face that he is qualified to be president. >> roger, there is reporting out of the meeting yesterday which some ceos left kind of concerned and baffled saying trump was all over the place and very little in terms of policy on corporate tax rates and extending the trump tax cut. let's talk about the ceos and the calculation they have to make. we know that they can make their money in a flourishing and functioning democracy which would be on the ballot and potentially at risk of donald trump wins. walk us through the compromise of them being willing or unwilling to make. >> first, i'm not surprised by the reaction. if you take the ceo of exxon, he was part of the first trump administration and had horrific things to say about how scattered and disorganized

trump was. as business leaders, there are short-term benefits traditionally associated with the republican administration. you talk about lowering corporate tax rates and less regulatory intensity. and shirley all these big companies would love to have more lacks antitrust enforcement and tax breaks for the wealthy. but putting those first is such short-term thinking. it's like mortgaging company earnings just to make companies for 1 quarter. because of the long-term economic chaos that a new trump administration would bring. if you look at what policies he is talking about, deporting 15- 20 million people. it would have a devastating impact on the economy and on the construction industry and on agriculture. but also, that would impact every consumer. it would bring back inflation and worsen the housing shortage.

broad caps on china and across the broad would bring back inflation and bring chaos to the supply chain. if you look at the policies he has talked about for his next administration, i can't imagine any ceo would not be absolutely horrified. >> former ceo of discover financial services, roger hawkes child, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. next, the good, the bad and the ugly aspects of social media's aspect on modern dating. you are watching morning joe weekend. stron . nothing beats it. i recommend pronamel active shield because it actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a game changer for my patients. it really works. sup? -who are you? i think that this product is a game changer for my patients. i'm your inner child. get in. ♪ ♪ [ engine revving ] listen. horsepower keeps you going, but torque gets you going. ♪ ♪ [ engine revving ] oh now we're torquin'! the dodge hornet r/t.

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what are all these people doing getting together? >> alcohol. >> that was seinfeld's take on the dating world in the 90s.

>> winner takes all. >> it seems things have only become more bleak in the age of social media. and a lot of other things. in a new pace for new york magazine's "the cut" entitled "is dating a total nightmare for you right now?," several women feel that they find dating and possible these days. joining us now is the features editor at the cut, catherine thompson and professor of marketing at the nyu school of business, scott galloway. we have heard you talk a lot about some of the underlying causes to this problem which branches out to, we are worried about all of our young people. catherine, i will start with you. i want to know about what inspired this piece anecdotally? i'm hearing from a lot of young women who want to date young men. the simple answer to that is that there are none. they say there are none. why is that? what is behind it? >> thank you for having me.

this piece came about in the way a lot of our best stories do and that we were seeing a lot of chatter online, specifically around tiktok videos of women in their late 20s or early 30s crying into the camera about how fed up they are with the dating scene and the lack of connection that they feel when they go on dates with men. i should emphasize that. we are talking about women who are seeking men as partners. and they feel they are not making it passed early dates or forging a deeper connection with the people they meet. what we heard a lot is that they just felt that the man they were going out with did not share their priorities. >> what did they say about the

young man that they tried to have relationships with? what was the description? you said they feel they didn't have the same priorities. what were their priorities? >> they have spent a lot of time and effort focusing on their career on now they are out of place in their life where they want to settle down with a partner who perhaps one's marriage or kids. but across the board, they are finding that the men they are going on dates with, do not want to form a long-term relationship. men are not looking for a deeper connection. a lot of women felt they were being strung along just for sex and not for a deeper, emotional connection. >> scott, the first time i think i saw you talking, it was about how dating apps had completely messed things up.

sort of a winner take all. that 10% of the most attractive and successful men were getting 90% of the market interested in them and that created a lot of men, guys that were home not dating at all. this is an interesting angle too. and it is all anecdotal. it is so anecdotal. it is like politics come when you knock on 10 doors in nine people are telling you the same thing. i knew i didn't have to take a poll. in this case, we heard from so many young women, college, postcollege, why are they dating? they say there are no men out there. what do you mean? there are no men out there to date. it is something baffling to us. because of our experiences growing up in the 70s and the 80s and the 90s. what is going on there? what is going on? >> first, good to be with you.

and congratulations on the article. a statistician came up with measuring statistical incremental equality of a country. zero met everyone had the same amount of money. one one person had all the money. if you apply this to online dating where the majority of relationships of people begin online, you would have the same inequality of south africa or venezuela. what i would push back on a little bit and what i hope there is a follow-up article on, it is not that these women cannot find a man. it is that they cannot find a man they want to date. what you have online is a very reductive analysis and that is men primarily evaluating women on aesthetics and men on their ability to signal resources. for men, they have a more porous filter.

they find more women attractive. women have a more fine filter for who they find attractive. so the majority of women are showing attention to a small number of men. 46 of the women out of 50 will show attention to just four men. the result is that, if you are the top 10% of men in terms of attractiveness, you get tremendous inbound opportunities and that does not lead to good behavior. i would describe it as portia polygamy. that is what the article is about. and let's be clear. it is pretty bad for every party involved. the average attractiveness has to swipe right 115 times to get one coffee and four out of those five coffees will ghost him. the average man has to swipe right 500 times to get one coffee. >> coming up, a fashion icon's ride to the top was anything but straight.

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larger-than-life personality. but her journey from world war ii where she was a child of a holocaust survivor to today, has taken her from europe to america. this is the story of an immigrant who came to america with a suitcase full of dresses and ideas and the wrap dress became this phenomenon. her life has been beyond a fashion designer. it has been a life in which she has given to women and opened up doors for other women and really lived life on her own terms, saying that it is possible for a woman to lead the kind of life that she wants to without any sort of barriers. she has really lived a means life in a woman's body as she likes to call it. >> incredible. talk about the challenges along the way. >> diane became a business woman when women needed men to cosign for something as small as a credit card.

when she was coming up in the world of business, women were not even in the conversation or on the table. and the amount of sexism that existed and that world, for her to breakthrough, wearing a dress and fishnet stockings at a time when women were told to be more like men if they wanted to be taken seriously, i think she changed the way women were looked at and the potential of women and i think that story is important to be told today to young women as well, to be yourself and find your own yellow brick road. >> she invented the wrap dress in 1974. how much did that defined her career as a fashion designer? and how much did it can find her? did she then become disassociated with that or how did she break out of just being the rapturous woman? >> she likes to say the wrap dress made her. and i think that is very true. she created a dress that became symbiotic with the freedom movement and with women feeling

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